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Lhim · Nov 03, 2007, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Favor of the Gods

....The more the better....

FeroxC · Nov 03, 2007, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Wow thanks for the link ! that textmod program looks great.
I got to about 89% wall hugging in Tyria but can only play guildwars on the weekends now, maybe i can actually finish the title

lakatz · Nov 03, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

And what in game bonus's does one aquire from having a cartographer title? Nothing. So i guess my point is who cares and who does it hurt? No one.

Yeah... there is an ingame bonus. All your GMC titles add up to become four of the 10 titles required to get the 'People Know Me' title. And if you have the 'People Know Me' title you can charm a rainbow phoenix if you want.

Bryant Again · Nov 03, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by lakatz

Yeah... there is an ingame bonus. All your GMC titles add up to become four of the 10 titles required to get the 'People Know Me' title. And if you have the 'People Know Me' title you can charm a rainbow phoenix if you want.

And what's the difference in terms of versatility between the rainbow phoenix and any other pet?

zwei2stein · Nov 03, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And what's the difference in terms of versatility between the rainbow phoenix and any other pet?

That it is uglier than any other pet?

Longasc · Nov 03, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And what's the difference in terms of versatility between the rainbow phoenix and any other pet?

If you have a level 20 rainbow phoenix, it is so big that you can hide your whole party behind it.

freekedoutfish · Nov 03, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Ya know what, I actually took the time to download the mod and try it out and (I hate to admit this) I like it. Its not that I ever posted saying people shouldnt use it, but I can appreciate now how it works and what it is.

I kinda of retract my views that it makes you lazey, but I still stand by my belief that it makes it staggeringly more easy and removes any and all thought.

And as another posted stated, it does give you a very easy 4 maxed titles which can count towards the KOABD ranks. The main reason I expect most people do exploration (the ones who dont enjoy it anyway).

Bryant Again · Nov 03, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

The title doesn't take much in the first place. Just time.

Chthon · Nov 03, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Ya know what, I actually took the time to download the mod and try it out and (I hate to admit this) I like it. Its not that I ever posted saying people shouldnt use it, but I can appreciate now how it works and what it is.

I just wish that all the critics would try it too. After that, if their opinion remains the same, they can bash it all they like.

lakatz · Nov 03, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And what's the difference in terms of versatility between the rainbow phoenix and any other pet?

The guy asked if there was an ingame bonus to the title and then asserted there wasn't. I set the record straight on that point.

As to versatility, I never gave it any thought and don't intend to because it's totally irrelevant to my statement, and I'm going to have to go with Longasc's answer... it's big enough for the whole party to hide behind.

Saraphim · Nov 03, 2007, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Ya know what, I actually took the time to download the mod and try it out and (I hate to admit this) I like it. Its not that I ever posted saying people shouldnt use it, but I can appreciate now how it works and what it is.

I kinda of retract my views that it makes you lazey, but I still stand by my belief that it makes it staggeringly more easy and removes any and all thought.

And as another posted stated, it does give you a very easy 4 maxed titles which can count towards the KOABD ranks. The main reason I expect most people do exploration (the ones who dont enjoy it anyway).

Ditto what Chthon said really, I respect you for testing it out. I downloaded it and looked at my ele's EotN map (she already has LC anyway) and it's shown me that although I don't have much left to clear, there is some, and EotN has no cartographer percentage to help me find out how much I need to do.

I'd argue that it doesn't remove "any and all thought" as, looking at the aforementioned areas I can't tell just by pressing U which zone they're in, so it's still going to have to rely on me going into each zone and wall scraping to find it. Actually, I'm not sure there is any thought to it even without the map. Maybe a bit of chin scraping over which area to test first but that's all.

By the way, am I the only one that gets horrific pains in my hand from walking at a 45 degree angle just to scrape walls for hours on end?* Might be just me as I have tendonitis and carpal tunnel problems as well, but really that's just another reason to reduce the amount of wall-scraping that's needed (imo) .

* I can't use WASD as it bugs me, I have a tablet in front of my right monitor and keyboard on the left, so I use the arrow keys and the mouse to strafe left and right.

freekedoutfish · Nov 03, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Saraphim

By the way, am I the only one that gets horrific pains in my hand from walking at a 45 degree angle just to scrape walls for hours on end?* Might be just me as I have tendonitis and carpal tunnel problems as well, but really that's just another reason to reduce the amount of wall-scraping that's needed (imo) .

* I can't use WASD as it bugs me, I have a tablet in front of my right monitor and keyboard on the left, so I use the arrow keys and the mouse to strafe left and right.

I dont get this 45 degree thing? Your keyboard layout sound the same to mine, and I dont have aching rists and so on. Maybe you just need an arm rest for your keyboard and mouse. They do really help with ach and pains. I used to get really painfull rists and then I bought the razer mouse and exactmat with rist rest and it was a blessing.

Bryant Again · Nov 03, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by lakatz

The guy asked if there was an ingame bonus to the title and then asserted there wasn't. I set the record straight on that point.

As to versatility, I never gave it any thought and don't intend to because it's totally irrelevant to my statement, and I'm going to have to go with Longasc's answer... it's big enough for the whole party to hide behind.

You pointed out that there was a bonus, can't argue that. I'm merely adding that the bonus is largely insignificant.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I dont get this 45 degree thing?

That's how you have to walk into the walls so you don't miss a spot when you're mapping.

zwei2stein · Nov 03, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Pet is Pet, there is nothing groundbreaking to it. That special pet is 15k version of 1k pet, YAWN.

compare it to titles which offer significant and *unreplicable* advantages like chestrunner or bot supporter title.

freekedoutfish · Nov 03, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

That's how you have to walk into the walls so you don't miss a spot when you're mapping.

I cant say I did that when I was exploring all those months ago and it worked.

Bryant Again · Nov 03, 2007, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I cant say I did that when I was exploring all those months ago and it worked.

It's called wall-hugging. You either run into the wall at an angle or hold the forward + strafe buttons simultaneously while parallel to the walls.

Of course, some people do run straight while along the walls, but the chances of mapping out points in this style is pretty risky.

Saraphim · Nov 03, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I dont get this 45 degree thing? Your keyboard layout sound the same to mine, and I dont have aching rists and so on. Maybe you just need an arm rest for your keyboard and mouse. They do really help with ach and pains. I used to get really painfull rists and then I bought the razer mouse and exactmat with rist rest and it was a blessing.

Bryant has covered the 45 degree thing.

As to the rest, for me it's about a lot more than keyboard layout as I use a pen and tablet most of the day for my work. But when I'm gaming I use the mouse. Hand and wrist problems come from multiple things - desk and seat height, posture, mouse useage, keyboard useage etc. I know I'm probably in a minority for using arrow keys + mouse rather than WASD, but I've never got used to it. So strafing right and left for me means I have to hold down the right mouse button constantly.

Anyway that's wandering off topic. I'll shut up now.

freekedoutfish · Nov 03, 2007, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Saraphim

Bryant has covered the 45 degree thing.

As to the rest, for me it's about a lot more than keyboard layout as I use a pen and tablet most of the day for my work. But when I'm gaming I use the mouse. Hand and wrist problems come from multiple things - desk and seat height, posture, mouse useage, keyboard useage etc. I know I'm probably in a minority for using arrow keys + mouse rather than WASD, but I've never got used to it. So strafing right and left for me means I have to hold down the right mouse button constantly.

Anyway that's wandering off topic. I'll shut up now.

I use the arrows keys instead of the WASD ones too! Always have and always will! What make pen and tablet do you use? im wanting to get one for photo editing... msg me!

lakatz · Nov 03, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You pointed out that there was a bonus, can't argue that. I'm merely adding that the bonus is largely insignificant...

For you, I trust it's a largely insignificant bonus, and you've been clear that's because you value versatility. I appreciate and respect that.

For me at this point in time, it's a relatively significant bonus. I think it's a beautiful pet, but I'm not ready to trade in my loyal and trusty dire stalker. Maybe later... at which point it will become a largely significant bonus in that I value aesthetics.

For others who value exclusivity, it can be anywhere from a relatively to largely significant bonus. And I appreciate and respect that.

And that is the reason I didn't and won't put any thought into the versatility of a rainbow phoenix... because that's about your values, not mine. And I'm not here to put my values on others or let others put there values on me. I'm just here to appreciate and respect the differences.

Bryant Again · Nov 04, 2007, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by lakatz

For others who value exclusivity, it can be anywhere from a relatively to largely significant bonus. And I appreciate and respect that.

And you seem to think I don't? Whether you mean it or not, that's the picture your painting.

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Originally Posted by lakatz

And that is the reason I didn't and won't put any thought into the versatility of a rainbow phoenix... because that's about your values, not mine. And I'm not here to put my values on others or let others put there values on me. I'm just here to appreciate and respect the differences.

Does the pet have any damage bonus? No.
Does it have any special abilities? No.
Is it any different than any other pet in terms of performance? No.

My point is that this pet does nothing nothing special. You cannot argue that. Someone wanting it based on its looks is insigficant, because aesthetics in itself is insignificant - not to an individual, but how the game plays in general. This pet doesn't have some hp upgrade or damage bonus. It just looks different, just like every high-end armor and weapon in the game.

So is it worth mentioning? Sure, why not. Is it essential to your gameplay? Of course not. Can you live without it? Yes.

If you really want to discuss this, you know my PM box.